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		<title>By: Robert Alden</title>
		<link>http://www.soiveheard.com/2009/05/kid-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-38</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Alden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 05:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The writer of “Pretentious Bullshit” who disapproved of the excellent Jacaranda series and chose to hide behind anonymity barely deserves a response. I just hope that he, or she, finds something to enjoy besides picking on the creative efforts of others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The writer of “Pretentious Bullshit” who disapproved of the excellent Jacaranda series and chose to hide behind anonymity barely deserves a response. I just hope that he, or she, finds something to enjoy besides picking on the creative efforts of others.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 18:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mentioned KCRW and KPCC only in the context that their fund drives become rather wearying and self-defeating, and end up holding the listeners hostage, not as classical-music stations. AR</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mentioned KCRW and KPCC only in the context that their fund drives become rather wearying and self-defeating, and end up holding the listeners hostage, not as classical-music stations. AR</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Gossard</title>
		<link>http://www.soiveheard.com/2009/05/kid-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-36</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Gossard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 16:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why don&#039;t you mention KCSN in your list of subscriber supported stations that have pledge drives?  They&#039;re still broadcasting classical music last I checked (yesterday), though with less distinguished commentary as you recently noted. I&#039;m not aware of any classical music on KCRW, though they do have interesting and entertaining music programming otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why don&#8217;t you mention KCSN in your list of subscriber supported stations that have pledge drives?  They&#8217;re still broadcasting classical music last I checked (yesterday), though with less distinguished commentary as you recently noted. I&#8217;m not aware of any classical music on KCRW, though they do have interesting and entertaining music programming otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 02:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and the greatest of these is clarity</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and the greatest of these is clarity</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Cohen</title>
		<link>http://www.soiveheard.com/2009/05/kid-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-34</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Cohen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 01:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KUSC&#039;s fund drives are generally an excuse for me to explore the unheard riches of my record library. But if KUSC did not perpetrate the broadcasting equivalent of Chinese water torture, how would they extract the money to survive from an indifferent public? Reining in the Cerberus of Chapman, Caparella, and Svejda, limiting their fundraising efforts to what was merely tolerable, would probably mean there would be zero classical music radio stations in LA instead of one.

So, as in our political world, with its questions of empirical torture, the questionable argument for ends justifying means has arisen. Fortunately, there is more clarity in the area of music.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KUSC&#8217;s fund drives are generally an excuse for me to explore the unheard riches of my record library. But if KUSC did not perpetrate the broadcasting equivalent of Chinese water torture, how would they extract the money to survive from an indifferent public? Reining in the Cerberus of Chapman, Caparella, and Svejda, limiting their fundraising efforts to what was merely tolerable, would probably mean there would be zero classical music radio stations in LA instead of one.</p>
<p>So, as in our political world, with its questions of empirical torture, the questionable argument for ends justifying means has arisen. Fortunately, there is more clarity in the area of music.</p>
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		<title>By: eb</title>
		<link>http://www.soiveheard.com/2009/05/kid-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>eb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 19:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is one person&#039;s trash is another person&#039;s treasure.

The mocking comment of &quot;when was the last great Greek play written?&quot; reveals only that this person refuses to acknowledge that there may be other magnificent Greek plays written since the ancient times.  That&#039;s like asking &quot;When was the last great play written since Shakespeare&quot;? And I am certain there are people who think Shakespeare&#039;s plays have no merit whatsoever.

The same is equally true for music composed in the 20th and 21st centuries.  What is accepted by today&#039;s public was not always accepted by the public of the past.  Beethoven&#039;s music was ridiculed.  Wagner&#039;s equally so, particularly his &quot;Tristan und Isolde&quot; for its breathtakingly different tonalities.  There is much of those two composers that are not performed today.  Does that mean that &quot;No one else was interested&quot;?  Or that &quot;it’s not worth listening to&quot;?

What utter nonsense.

Trying to expose people like that writer - who obviously wants nothing to do with anything new or unusual - to anything new, experimental, or different is fruitless, for their minds are already made up.  I would much rather hear new music and have a healthy discussion or debate whether or not this new work will have an effect.

Without the performances of new music, how else can I judge the merits of the composition?  And, for that matter, how can that letter writer pass judgement on something that person hasn&#039;t heard?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is one person&#8217;s trash is another person&#8217;s treasure.</p>
<p>The mocking comment of &#8220;when was the last great Greek play written?&#8221; reveals only that this person refuses to acknowledge that there may be other magnificent Greek plays written since the ancient times.  That&#8217;s like asking &#8220;When was the last great play written since Shakespeare&#8221;? And I am certain there are people who think Shakespeare&#8217;s plays have no merit whatsoever.</p>
<p>The same is equally true for music composed in the 20th and 21st centuries.  What is accepted by today&#8217;s public was not always accepted by the public of the past.  Beethoven&#8217;s music was ridiculed.  Wagner&#8217;s equally so, particularly his &#8220;Tristan und Isolde&#8221; for its breathtakingly different tonalities.  There is much of those two composers that are not performed today.  Does that mean that &#8220;No one else was interested&#8221;?  Or that &#8220;it’s not worth listening to&#8221;?</p>
<p>What utter nonsense.</p>
<p>Trying to expose people like that writer &#8211; who obviously wants nothing to do with anything new or unusual &#8211; to anything new, experimental, or different is fruitless, for their minds are already made up.  I would much rather hear new music and have a healthy discussion or debate whether or not this new work will have an effect.</p>
<p>Without the performances of new music, how else can I judge the merits of the composition?  And, for that matter, how can that letter writer pass judgement on something that person hasn&#8217;t heard?</p>
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		<title>By: MarK</title>
		<link>http://www.soiveheard.com/2009/05/kid-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-32</link>
		<dc:creator>MarK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 19:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The two comments above contain several good points, including the one about the letter in question not meriting much comment. However, if there is one valid point in the letter, it is that some critics are too excessively biased in favor of anything new. Such bias is understandable and due to human nature - a person who listens to two dozen or so performances each month would certainly be more interested in hearing new stuff than someone who only hears one or two per month and understandably wants to get the maximum quality for the money spent. Besides, one has to be careful while criticizing a new piece if one does not want to be quoted in a book by some next twenty-second century Slonimsky. Also, unfortunately, many critics do not retain the ability of marveling at great masterpieces as if hearing something new and wonderful each time - AR definitely does, which is why it is such a pleasure reading his thoughts about his favorite moments in, for example, Mozart or Schubert.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The two comments above contain several good points, including the one about the letter in question not meriting much comment. However, if there is one valid point in the letter, it is that some critics are too excessively biased in favor of anything new. Such bias is understandable and due to human nature &#8211; a person who listens to two dozen or so performances each month would certainly be more interested in hearing new stuff than someone who only hears one or two per month and understandably wants to get the maximum quality for the money spent. Besides, one has to be careful while criticizing a new piece if one does not want to be quoted in a book by some next twenty-second century Slonimsky. Also, unfortunately, many critics do not retain the ability of marveling at great masterpieces as if hearing something new and wonderful each time &#8211; AR definitely does, which is why it is such a pleasure reading his thoughts about his favorite moments in, for example, Mozart or Schubert.</p>
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		<title>By: Vitelius</title>
		<link>http://www.soiveheard.com/2009/05/kid-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-31</link>
		<dc:creator>Vitelius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 18:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somebody needs to send Mr. Pretentious BS a copy of Slonimsky&#039;s &quot;Lexicon of Musical Invective&quot;: We&#039;ve heard this song &amp; dance before, and it was old news even in Beethoven&#039;s time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somebody needs to send Mr. Pretentious BS a copy of Slonimsky&#8217;s &#8220;Lexicon of Musical Invective&#8221;: We&#8217;ve heard this song &amp; dance before, and it was old news even in Beethoven&#8217;s time.</p>
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		<title>By: BT</title>
		<link>http://www.soiveheard.com/2009/05/kid-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator>BT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 17:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure that &quot;pretentious bullshit&quot; letter merits much comment--the author is making broad, unsubstantiated assertions and seems to have no interest in a dialogue.  But, comment I will: there is an extremely conservative view of culture (dogmatically held by that letter writer, far as I can tell) that basically holds that worthwhile culture is something happened in the past--in this view, the standard is &quot;the test of time,&quot; which pretty much eliminates anything new from consideration.   Alternatively, one can see culture as an ongoing discourse that is perpetually being renegotiated, a discourse that does not require every utterance to be a &quot;masterpiece&quot; in order to contribute something of value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure that &#8220;pretentious bullshit&#8221; letter merits much comment&#8211;the author is making broad, unsubstantiated assertions and seems to have no interest in a dialogue.  But, comment I will: there is an extremely conservative view of culture (dogmatically held by that letter writer, far as I can tell) that basically holds that worthwhile culture is something happened in the past&#8211;in this view, the standard is &#8220;the test of time,&#8221; which pretty much eliminates anything new from consideration.   Alternatively, one can see culture as an ongoing discourse that is perpetually being renegotiated, a discourse that does not require every utterance to be a &#8220;masterpiece&#8221; in order to contribute something of value.</p>
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